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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 2:38 pm    Post subject: Bombing Iran In June? Reply with quote
SCOTT RITTER SAYS U.S. PLANS JUNE ATTACK ON IRAN, ‘COOKED’ JAN. 30 IRAQI ELECTION RESULTS
By Mark Jensen

United for Peace of Pierce County (WA)
February 19, 2005

Scott Ritter, appearing with journalist Dahr Jamail yesterday in Washington State, dropped two shocking bombshells in a talk delivered to a packed house in Olympia’s Capitol Theater. The ex-Marine turned UNSCOM weapons inspector said that George W. Bush has "signed off" on plans to bomb Iran in June 2005, and claimed the U.S. manipulated the results of the recent Jan. 30 elections in Iraq.

Olympians like to call the Capitol Theater "historic," but it's doubtful whether the eighty-year-old edifice has ever been the scene of more portentous revelations.

The principal theme of Scott Ritter's talk was Americans’ duty to protect the U.S. Constitution by taking action to bring an end to the illegal war in Iraq. But in passing, the former UNSCOM weapons inspector stunned his listeners with two pronouncements. Ritter said plans for a June attack on Iran have been submitted to President George W. Bush, and that the president has approved them. He also asserted that knowledgeable sources say U.S. officials "cooked" the results of the Jan. 30 elections in Iraq.

On Iran, Ritter said that President George W. Bush has received and signed off on orders for an aerial attack on Iran planned for June 2005. Its purported goal is the destruction of Iran’s alleged program to develop nuclear weapons, but Ritter said neoconservatives in the administration also expected that the attack would set in motion a chain of events leading to regime change in the oil-rich nation of 70 million -- a possibility Ritter regards with the greatest skepticism.

The former Marine also said that the Jan. 30 elections, which George W. Bush has called "a turning point in the history of Iraq, a milestone in the advance of freedom," were not so free after all. Ritter said that U.S. authorities in Iraq had manipulated the results in order to reduce the percentage of the vote received by the United Iraqi Alliance from 56% to 48%.

Asked by UFPPC's Ted Nation about this shocker, Ritter said an official involved in the manipulation was the source, and that this would soon be reported by a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist in a major metropolitan magazine -- an obvious allusion to New Yorker reporter Seymour M. Hersh.

On Jan. 17, the New Yorker posted an article by Hersh entitled The Coming Wars (New Yorker, January 24-31, 2005). In it, the well-known investigative journalist claimed that for the Bush administration, "The next strategic target [is] Iran." Hersh also reported that "The Administration has been conducting secret reconnaissance missions inside Iran at least since last summer." According to Hersh, "Defense Department civilians, under the leadership of Douglas Feith, have been working with Israeli planners and consultants to develop and refine potential nuclear, chemical-weapons, and missile targets inside Iran. . . . Strategists at the headquarters of the U.S. Central Command, in Tampa, Florida, have been asked to revise the military’s war plan, providing for a maximum ground and air invasion of Iran. . . . The hawks in the Administration believe that it will soon become clear that the Europeans’ negotiated approach [to Iran] cannot succeed, and that at that time the Administration will act."

Scott Ritter said that although the peace movement failed to stop the war in Iraq, it had a chance to stop the expansion of the war to other nations like Iran and Syria. He held up the specter of a day when the Iraq war might be remembered as a relatively minor event that preceded an even greater conflagration.

Scott Ritter's talk was the culmination of a long evening devoted to discussion of Iraq and U.S. foreign policy. Before Ritter spoke, Dahr Jamail narrated a slide show on Iraq focusing on Fallujah. He showed more than a hundred vivid photographs taken in Iraq, mostly by himself. Many of them showed the horrific slaughter of civilians.

Dahr Jamail argued that U.S. mainstream media sources are complicit in the war and help sustain support for it by deliberately downplaying the truth about the devastation and death it is causing.

Jamail was, until recently, one of the few unembedded journalists in Iraq and one of the only independent ones. His reports have gained a substantial following and are available online at dahrjamailiraq.com.

Friday evening's event in Olympia was sponsored by South Puget Sound Community College's Student Activities Board, Veterans for Peace, 100 Thousand and Counting, Olympia Movement for Justice & Peace, United for Peace of Pierce County, and the Heroico Batallon de San Patricio and the BRICK student organization at South Puget Sound Community College.

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NOTE: Dahr Jamail will make three more appearances in the Puget Sound area this weekend: (1) SATURDAY, FEB. 19, 7:00 p.m., at the Kirkland Congregational Church, 106 5th Avenue, Kirkland WA. Admission $5 -- Sponsored by Evergreen Peace & Justice; (2) SUNDAY, FEB. 20, 1:00 p.m. at the Vashon Land Trust. Vashon Islanders for Peace will be hosting Dahr Jamail and Bert Sacks on the subject of Exit Strategies from Iraq; (3) SUNDAY, FEB. 20, 7:30 p.m. at UW Kane Hall, Room 120. Hosted by the Interfaith Network Of Concern for the people of Iraq (INOC), the University of Washington -- Department of Communication, the Iraqi Community Center of Seattle (ICCS), and the United Nations Association, Seattle.

NOTE TO MEDIA: This piece has generated considerable public and media interest, receiving 23,633 hits as of 11:00 p.m., Feb. 21, and causing the UFPPC web site to crash several times on Monday. -- Dennis Miller of Veterans for Peace suggests reporters seeking to reach Scott Ritter contact Dan Leahy of Evergreen College at leahyd@evergreen.edu

ADDENDUM: Scott Ritter spoke on KIRO 710 radio this evening, Feb. 21; I am told by Bob Rudolph of UFPPC and Veterans of Peace that he repeated the substance of what he said in Olympia on Feb. 18 .

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2005 4:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Bombing Iran In June? Reply with quote
and claimed the U.S. manipulated the results of the recent Jan. 30 elections in Iraq.

If that's true, it would mean business as usual in Iraq.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 3:12 am    Post subject: Re: Bombing Iran In June? Reply with quote
Is it just me, or does it seem that Ritter may have had too much sun in the desert? Ritter appears, to me, to be saying anything to keep his livelihood of public appearances and writing when it would be so easy for people to focus on his criminal record.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 12:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Bombing Iran In June? Reply with quote
Slime and retreat is an overused tactic of the right. “Criminal record” implies that a person has been convicted of a crime. President Bush and Vice President Cheney, for example, have criminal records/convictions for misdemeanors. Mr. Ritter, however, was charged but not convicted of a misdemeanor. In this country, one is considered innocent until proven guilty.

If you have facts that negate this former US weapon inspector’s statement, I would love to hear them, but let’s not obscure the discussion by mudslinging.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 1:14 am    Post subject: Re: Bombing Iran In June? Reply with quote
I will bet money that the US is not going to be bombing Iran in June unless it does something stupidly provocative, like invade Iraq. The current system is that those regional ripple effects of overthrowing Saddam and putting a representative government in its place seems to be working. Syria is in trouble in Lebanon, Arab countries are moving towards more representative forms, and the gov't of the US appears to be to let Europe excercise softpwer against Iran and at the same time have an army on two sides of Iran, in Iraq and Afghanistan. It would be foolish of Iran to do something to provoke the US with American troops on two borders.

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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2005 1:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Bombing Iran In June? Reply with quote
What, no one wants to take me up on my offer of a bet?

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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2005 9:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Bombing Iran In June? Reply with quote
Less than one month till the bombs begin to fall. :b

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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2005 10:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Bombing Iran In June? Reply with quote
Yeah, Chris, very little time left. Too bad no one wants to put their fiscal assets where Ritter's mouth is.

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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2005 4:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Bombing Iran In June? Reply with quote
Frankly, if the USA were not up to it's butt in alligators in Iraq and Afghanistan, I think there would be serious thought of messing with Iran. However, I believe the professionals of the US military have been forthright enough to explain that the resources to do so are not to be found.

Further, involvement in a third theater without resolution in the present two, in conjunction with further casualties would be political suicide.

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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2005 11:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Bombing Iran In June? Reply with quote
Exactly Murray. :) But the point remains that we won't be bombing Iran in June.

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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2005 3:15 am    Post subject: Re: Bombing Iran In June? Reply with quote
Yeah, no one is even willing to bet a penny against me on this, or if they are, they have not spoken up. Scott Ritter, if you are out there, I'll give good odds.

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