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Blaming Clinton First

#11: Nov. - Dec. 2003 (Non-Fiction)
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Blaming Clinton First

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Franken's chapter on Clinton addresses an argument I've heard numerous times, apparently from Fox viewers: that Clinton "did nothing" about terrorism. Franken, citing Time magazine, says Condoleezza Rice denied having met with Clinton's national security advisor to discuss the issue of terrorism. Franken then says the New York Times mentioned Rice agreeing with Sandy Berger at a meeting that terrosim was a key issue. Was either the New York Times or Time magazine in error, or did Rice play down the efforts of the Clinton Administration to encourage Bush to focus on terrorism?
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the chapter on "operation ignore" shouLd make you sick. "I've often wondered, what if all of us in the world discovered that we were threatened by an outer -- a power from outer space, from another planet. Wouldn't we all of a sudden find that we didn't have any differences between us at all, we were all human beings, citizens of the world, and wouldn't we come together to fight that particular threat?"- Ronald Reagan
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What's shocking about Operation Ignore isn't that Bush was aloof from the issue until it was too late, but that Clinton is now perceived as "soft on terrorism" even though the Right criticized Clinton's actions whenever he used military force.
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The conservatives control the monopoly media, and the minds of infovision dumb Americans.Clinton could do no right and Bush can do no wrong. That is the message I am getting, though I am intelligent to know better. They both have their good and bad points and moves.I didn't see Clinton as my savior or Bush as the "Devil incarnate", they are both just ordinary humans.I am just personally against the overall philosophy and direction of the conservative movement, and Democrats are just the "lesser of the two evils" that slow down the dangerous and misguided philosophy and goals of the conservative rights. I do not agree much with the Democrats either, but at least they are not so driven to destroy democracy or our environment.I would prefer a third party, but our present election system guarantees that will never happen. So we realistically have only two choices. A vote for a third party is a vote for the opposite major candidate who would be your last choice. It is worse than a "throw away vote"; it actually harms your political direction.Monty VonnMeme Wars!
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MontyQuote:A vote for a third party is a vote for the opposite major candidate who would be your last choice. It is worse than a "throw away vote"; it actually harms your political direction.You're so right...and what a shame. 3rd party candidates have very little chance of winning in an election. Don't laugh, but I was planning on voting for Ross Perot, but I knew it would be throwing my vote out. Ross was a bit odd, but the man is a successful business man and it sure would be nice to have a change in the White House.Chris "When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward,for there you have been, and there you will always want to be."
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Originally posted by Meme WarsQuote:I am just personally against the overall philosophy and direction of the conservative movement, and Democrats are just the "lesser of the two evils" that slow down the dangerous and misguided philosophy and goals of the conservative rights. I do not agree much with the Democrats either, but at least they are not so driven to destroy democracy or our environment.I used to feel exactly this way, but now I'm actually quite the opposite: I usually vote Republican, even though I don't agree with all (or even most) of their platform. Back when the far right - Pat Robertson, the AFA, and the Christian Coalition - had real power I usually voted Democrat just to counter that scary theocratic movement. But since the early 90's the religious right has been more or less ostracized and the trend is only increasing (John McCain is Bush's likely successor for the RNC nomination and he makes no bones about being a secularist). With the theocrats effectively neutralized (and civil rights well established) I feel free to support the Republicans for a strong national defense and the dissolution of the nanny state.I do wish that Republicans had a better environmental policy (and McCain is better on it than Bush is), but I know I'll never get everything I want. And if the Democrats would nominate a genuine leader of moderate leaning they could get my vote back ... but I certainly don't see that happening in 2004 (and probably not in 2008 either, considering the frightening state of affairs in that party).S
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American War Crimes

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Masters of War Militarism and Blowback in the Era of American Empireedited by Carl BoggsRoutledge, 2003, paperp191"The historical reality is that the U.S. drive for economic, political, and military domination has led to massive and horrific war crimes, to repeated and flagrant violations of international law-a legacy easily documented but one which has been obscured, covered up, or simply ignored within the national c ethos of denial. The U.S. record of war crimes has been, from the nineteenth century to the present, a largely invisible one with no government, no political leaders, no military officials, no lower-level operatives held accountable for criminal actions. A culture of militarism has saturated the public sphere, including academia, endowing all U.S. interventions abroad with a patina of patriotic goodness and democratic sensibilities beyond genuine interrogation. Anyone challenging this mythology is quickly marginalized, branded a traitor or Communist or terrorist or simply a lunatic beyond the pale of reasonable discussion. After 9/11 this situation has worsened: a nominally liberal-democratic system has moved ever more ominously along the road of corporatism, authoritarianism, and narrowing public discourses. American society today exhibits every sign of ideological closure, one-dimensionality, and erosion of civic culture accompanied by the rise of national chauvinism and hostility to foreign influences, exacerbated by the spring 2003 invasion and occupation of Iraq. Recent ideological trends involve a steadfast refusal to confront the larger context of U.S. foreign policy or to reflect upon the far-reaching consequences of U.S. empire, as if the terrorist attacks occurred in a historical void. Of course psychological denial has profound ramifications, for with it a siege mentality can readily appear-and such a mentality seems to have gripped much of American public life. As Chalmers Johnson writes in Blowback: "What we have freed ourselves of . . . is any genuine consciousness of how we might look to others on this globe. Most Americans are probably unaware of how Washington exercises its global hegemony since so much of this activity takes place either in relative secrecy or under comforting rubrics. Many may, as a start, find it hard to believe that our place in the world even adds up to an empire. Nowhere is this proposition more evident than in the sphere of war crimes discourse.""
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The Logic of U.S. Intervention - Michael Parentip21"While claiming to be motivated by a dedication to human rights and democracy, U.S. Ieaders have supported some of the most notorious right-wing autocracies in history, governments that have tortured, killed, or otherwise maltreated large numbers of their citizens because of their dissenting political views, as in Turkey, Zaire, Chad, Pakistan, Morocco, Indonesia, Honduras, Peru, Colombia, Argentina, El Salvador, Guatemala, Haiti, the Philippines, Cuba (under Batista), Nicaragua (under Somoza), Iran (under the Shah), and Portugal (under Salazar). Assistance is also given to counterrevolutionary groups in leftist revolutionary countries. These groups have perpetrated some of the most brutal bloodletting against civilian populations, as have Unita in Angola, Renamo in Mozambique, the Contras in Nicaragua, the Khmer Rouge (during the 1980s) in Cambodia, the counterinsurgency ethnic slaughter in Rwanda, the mujahideen and then the Taliban in Afghanistan, and the right-wing Albanian separatist KLA in Kosovo.p34... U.S. politico-corporate elites have long struggled to make the world safe for the system of transnational corporate capital accumulation; to attain control of the markets, lands, natural resources, and cheap labor of all countries; and to prevent the emergence of revolutionary socialist, populist, or even military nationalist regimes that challenge this arrangement by seeking to build alternative or competing economic systems. To achieve this, a global military machine is essential. The goal is to create a world populated by client states and compliant populations completely open to transnational corporate penetration, on terms that are completely favorable to the penetrators. It is not too much to conclude that such an activist and violent global policy is produced not by dumb coincidence but by conscious design."
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American War Criminals

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On December 3, 1996, the Justice Department issued a list of 16 Japanese citizens who would be barred from entering the United States because of "war crimes" committed during the Second World War. Among those denied entry were some who were alleged to have been members of the infamous "Unit 731", which, said the Justice Department, "conducted inhumane and frequently lethal pseudo-medical experiments -- on thousands of ... prisoners and civilians," including mass dissections of living humans. (1)This action appeared to be rather hypocritical in light of the fact that after the war the man in charge of the Unit 731 program -- whose subjects included captured American soldiers -- General Shiroshii, along with his colleagues, had been granted immunity and freedom in exchange for providing the United States with details about the experiments. Moreover, their crimes were not to be revealed to the world. The justification for this policy, advanced by American scientists and military officials, was, of course, the proverbial, ubiquitous "national security".{2}There is another reason the 1996 policy is hypocritical. The Japanese, if they wished to, could issue a list of Americans barred from Japan for "war crimes" and "crimes against humanity". Such a list might include the following:George Bush, for the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, including many thousands of children, in attacks upon Iraq and Panama.Colin Powell, for his prominent role in the attacks on Iraq and Panama.General Norman Schwarzkopf, for his military leadership of the Iraqi carnage.Ronald Reagan, for the death, destruction, and torture inflicted upon the people of El Salvador, Guatemala, Nicaragua and Grenada by his military and political policies.Elliott Abrams, for his key participation in Reagan's obsessive and paranoid "anti-communist" crusade.Oliver North, for being a prime mover behind the contras, whose atrocities are legendary, and for his role in the invasion of Grenada, which took the lives of hundreds of innocent civilians.Henry Kissinger (who has successfully combined two careers: socialite and war criminal), for his Machiavellian, amoral, immoral roles in the US interventions into Angola, Chile, East Timor, Vietnam, and Cambodia which brought unspeakable horror and misery to the peoples of those lands.Gerald Ford, for giving his approval to Indonesia to use American arms to brutally suppress the people of East Timor.Robert McNamara, for his responsibility in the slaughters in Indochina and the suppression of popular movements in Peru.John Deutch, for his callous coverups of Gulf War Syndrome at the Defense Department and drug complicity at the CIA.Bill Clinton, for his unprovoked rocket attacks upon the people of Iraq and his continual military aid to the governments of Turkey, Peru, Colombia and Mexico, which use the weapons to arm death squads and to carry out wholesale massacres of their own people.NOTES1. Washington Post, December 4, 1996, p. A12. Leonard A. Cole, Clouds of Secrecy: The Army's Germ Warfare Tests over PopulatedAreas (Maryland, 1990), pp. 12-14Written by William Blum, author of Killing Hope: U.S. Military and CIA InterventionsSince World War II; email [email protected]
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Dissident Heart, I'm not really sure what the aim of your last three posts was. Are they related to the "Blaming Clinton First" topic in some way I can't see? Or did the anti-americanism within just build up to the point that you had to vomit it forth somewhere?Either way, you're citing papers written by people who have a political agenda. Just because Boggs and Parenti say "this is the way things are" it doesn't mean that is, indeed, the way things are. I'm a fairly bright guy with a good education, and I've seen hundreds of papers like "Masters of War" and "The Logic of US Intervention", all of them filled with elitist rhetoric about how America is responsible for everything bad that happens in the world, how our leaders are the worst kind of war criminals imaginable (if they're anything but far left liberals, that is), and how any attempt to refute such claims amounts to "repression of dissent". The language used is rife with alarming words and phrases like "idealogical closure", "culture of militarism", and "psychological denial", all of which sound impressive and scary and point to the conclusion that the author must know what he's talking about because he uses such powerful terms.But the truth is that most academic papers like those you posted are nothing more than anti-right, anti-American rhetoric mixed with a healthy dose of liberal ideology. Are they all? No, of course not. I've read papers that presented a well-reasoned case for greater international oversight of American foreign policy (I still utterly disagree, but I found the arguments to be nonpartisan and authoritative). If time allows I might look up Boggs' and Parenti's work on the Internet (and check their credentials while I'm at it) to give them a more comprehensive reading, but judging from the excerpts posted I'm not overly hopeful that they amount to much more than propaganda.And no, I'm not dismissing the "points" raised by either paper out of hand. But I'm not going to respond to any of them right away either, because I have no idea which you consider to be the strongest arguments (and I have little doubt I'd be accused of straw man tactics if I picked one you considered weak). If you'd like to present the three you think are the best points made by Boggs and / or Parenti I'd be happy to give you a refutation (or concede the point, if I find it valid). In the mean time - and as a simple "rhetoric or insight" litmus test - why don't we take the term "empire" as used by Boggs. Dissident Heart please explain in which ways modern America is an empire. And I don't mean "go find an academic paper on the subject and post a link to it". I mean go get out your dictionary, look up the word "empire", and then draw parallels between the definition and the United States as it exists today.S
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