Blame it on the Environmental Protection effort!

Mr. Pessimistic

Bush Eases Environmental Rules on Gasoline

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Easing the environment rules will allow refiners greater flexibility in providing oil supplies since they will not have to use certain additives such as ethanol to meet clean air standards.

All going according to plan?

Mr. P.

The one thing of which I am positive is that there is much of which to be negative - Mr. P.

Once you perceive the irrevocable truth, you can no longer justify the irrational denial. - Mr. P.

The pain in hell has two sides. The kind you can touch with your hand; the kind you can feel in your heart...Scorsese's "Mean Streets"

I came to kick ass and chew Bubble Gum...and I am all out of Bubble Gum - They Live, Roddy Piper

Chris OConnor

Sounds like a pretty good plan to me. The first line said this is a "temporary" thing, so why do you think Bush has something Evil in the works. The guy is trying his best to solve a serious gas crisis. If Clinton made this decision do you really think you would question his motives? Or is simply that everything Bush does must be evil?

Chris OConnor

This two-party system sucks. It really is frustrating how each side assumes the other has evil intentions. Can you argue with this? Isn't the default position of liberals that conservatives have some sort of alterior motive to every political decision?

Aren't we all suffering with these current fuel prices? You would think that liberals, typically the poorer between the two parties, would be applauding this "temporary" action as a means of helping them through a tough time.

Bush is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. And this just isn't fair or even remotely rational. Something needs to be done about this system.

Mr. Pessimistic

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Can you argue with this?

Actually I saw you on and was specifically baiting you! Sorry!

I do think that Republican interests would benefit MUCH by getting rid of environmental protections though.

Mr. P.

The one thing of which I am positive is that there is much of which to be negative - Mr. P.

Once you perceive the irrevocable truth, you can no longer justify the irrational denial. - Mr. P.

The pain in hell has two sides. The kind you can touch with your hand; the kind you can feel in your heart...Scorsese's "Mean Streets"

I came to kick ass and chew Bubble Gum...and I am all out of Bubble Gum - They Live, Roddy Piper

Chris OConnor

You bastard! ::17

Mr. Pessimistic

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Aren't we all suffering with these current fuel prices? You would think that liberals, typically the poorer between the two parties

No...only those who cannot afford the prices are suffering really. (You brought out the ditinction that the Republicans are wealthier, and you have a point here so I am going with that).

The thing is, liberals also care about the sustainability of our environment as it is impprtant to do things RIGHT as opposed to just making money.

Liberals also see that a retired CEO of a major oil company just got paid $400 million dollars in retirement money.

Do Republicans not see this?

Do you agree that sometimes, just humor me, sometimes measure are introduced as 'temporary' with the full on intention to make them permanent in the future? Do you disregard political manuvering on the part of EITHER party?

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Isn't the default position of liberals that conservatives have some sort of alterior motive to every political decision?

The real question is, can we switch 'liberals' and 'conservatives' in this sentence and still have a sort of truth here?

Mr. P.

The one thing of which I am positive is that there is much of which to be negative - Mr. P.

Once you perceive the irrevocable truth, you can no longer justify the irrational denial. - Mr. P.

The pain in hell has two sides. The kind you can touch with your hand; the kind you can feel in your heart...Scorsese's "Mean Streets"

I came to kick ass and chew Bubble Gum...and I am all out of Bubble Gum - They Live, Roddy Piper

Mr. Pessimistic

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You bastard!

Yup...I suppose I am! ::01

Mr. P.

The one thing of which I am positive is that there is much of which to be negative - Mr. P.

Once you perceive the irrevocable truth, you can no longer justify the irrational denial. - Mr. P.

The pain in hell has two sides. The kind you can touch with your hand; the kind you can feel in your heart...Scorsese's "Mean Streets"

I came to kick ass and chew Bubble Gum...and I am all out of Bubble Gum - They Live, Roddy Piper

MadArchitect

Having to pay higher gas prices would probably be better for us in the long term. It would force us to consider other alternatives, more people would be compelled to use public transportation, we'd think twice before making gratuitous use of fuel, and so on. Maybe we'd even think twice about championing NASCAR, which is apparantly on the verge of replacing baseball as the national passtime. I know a British girl living in the States who laughs at our complaints about paying almost $3 for gas -- in England they pay something on the order of $7/gallon. And that's probably how it should be.

Mr. Pessimistic

I agree...the best thing we can do is aggressively look for alternatives...and make sure it is NOT just lip service to finding alternatives.

My family only uses one car now. We have three total, but I took two off the road last year (sometime after reading Collapse I got into a green mode). Having one car saves on gas and emissions. I can only imagine what the others in my office complex think when I get dropped off by the wife. Probably think I got a DUI or somthing! lol

Ugh...NASCAR...I just do not understand why it is so popular nowadays...but then again, there is much I do not inderstand nowadays. Things are just goofy.

Mr. P.

The one thing of which I am positive is that there is much of which to be negative - Mr. P.

Once you perceive the irrevocable truth, you can no longer justify the irrational denial. - Mr. P.

The pain in hell has two sides. The kind you can touch with your hand; the kind you can feel in your heart...Scorsese's "Mean Streets"

I came to kick ass and chew Bubble Gum...and I am all out of Bubble Gum - They Live, Roddy Piper

Chris OConnor

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the best thing we can do is aggressively look for alternatives

As prices rise the opportunity to make it rich off an alternative fuel source will increase. This is the beauty of capitalism.

Mr. Pessimistic

It should not have to come down to who could make it rich though. We should really be concerned about our children and the health of the planet that supports us.

Mr. P.

The one thing of which I am positive is that there is much of which to be negative - Mr. P.

Once you perceive the irrevocable truth, you can no longer justify the irrational denial. - Mr. P.

The pain in hell has two sides. The kind you can touch with your hand; the kind you can feel in your heart...Scorsese's "Mean Streets"

I came to kick ass and chew Bubble Gum...and I am all out of Bubble Gum - They Live, Roddy Piper


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