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Paul Davies, a scientist who has written a number of works on science for the general public, has come out with some interesting speculation on the possible nature of alien life out in the cosmos, and the possibility that we might come in contact with it.

Davies has a central role in the SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) organization, but in his book The Eerie Silence, he takes a fairly critical look at that project. SETI hopes to find evidence of alien life forms by monitoring radio signals coming from space. This has been an ongoing effort for about a half century, but to date, nothing has been found. Some may find this discouraging, but Davies makes the point in his book that to do a realistic search, we must broaden our horizons. In fact we must broaden them to the limits or our imagination.

It is often easy, even for scientists, to succumb to anthropocentrism; to see the universe in terms of our own limited framework of knowledge. When SETI started out, it did what seemed logical at the time. It looked out into space for signals in the radio/TV band of the electromagnetic spectrum, because that was an important form of communication at the time. But Davies points out that just in the last few decades, humans have been moving beyond this technology. Most information today flows through fiber-optic cables, and TV and radio transmissions are less important today than they were some years ago. If we could change that much in a few decades, how much technological change would a civilization a few million years old have seen? And given the age of the universe, that is a very likely prospect.

Searching the radio band may be quaintly outdated, and Davies suggests much more exotic methods. Alien beings may, for example, try to modify an already existing strong energy source in the universe, such as pulsars. These are spinning neutron stars that throw off a strong electromagnetic pulse, in the same manor as a lighthouse. A sufficiently advanced society may be able to change the physical properties of the pulsar in such a way that it sends out coded messages, similar to the blinking of marine navigation aids that encode important information for mariners.

Any beings that have survived that long would likely be radically different from what we might imagine, or even could imagine. A good bet, he speculates, is that they would have achieved some sort of biological/ machine hybrid combination, or perhaps be complete machine intelligence. This would make sense for a number of reasons. For one, it would allow for vastly increased intellectual capacity. These beings would also have a form of immortality, as parts would be able to be constantly upgraded and replaced.

It is highly probable that after a million years or so of evolution, these creatures would find they have nothing to say to us, and there would be nothing we could say that would be of interest to them. If they had advanced enough in computer technology, employing quantum theory, for example, they may have long since foregone any biological existence, and even any association with a planetary base. The aliens we are hoping to contact may in fact be a quantum computer. This technology works best away from heat sources, and so they may exist in interstellar space, self-contained, and harnessing cosmic rays for energy. The virtual inner life of such beings would be rich and complex beyond our wildest imagining, and contact with the outside universe may be as appealing to them as going outside to mow the lawn or take out the garbage is to us.

What would we say, if contact were made? And what would they say?


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Post Re: Are We Alone?
Lets add some pessimism!

Any technology which allows a species to travel from the nearest star, Alpha Century, would necessitate an understanding of physics that far outpaces our own. A species which has developed this kind of technology for themselves would not be our peer.
They would not need to come to our planet out of any necessity. They wouldn’t need to harvest our resources. For one thing, any planet or moon they come by would have a large portion of the same mineral wealth our planet does, but it isn’t even that. If gold struck them as beautiful, as it does us, they would not need to dig for it. Any clump of material would suit their purposes. They could simply re-arrange the nucleus of any material to manufacture gold, or any other element we can imagine. Any cloud of hydrogen will suffice.

They would not need to kick us off our planet because it resides in the so-called goldie-locks zone, Neither too hot, nor too cold for life to develop, because the technology to terra-form whole planets would surely be well grasped by a technologically advanced race such as this. They could touch down on the most distant, black, lightless rock they find and harvest the dirt under their feet, break it down to it’s nuclear elements and use that to power their devices, which harvest yet more material. Instant energy for all their planet building needs.

So we would be more or less safe from a race this advanced, as far as raw greedy ambition. That would not be the case in a species such as ourselves, if at the last moment, we had to create a vessel as was seen in “pandorum”, to escape our despoiled planet, travel for centuries to another goldie-locks zone because we lack sufficient terra-forming skills. Any race we meet would be in for a fight for it’s existence, once humanity arrived. We routinely destroy any animal species that weighs more than a hundred pounds, and the nature of our domination holds the sere stagnate. Preventing the new evolution of giant beasts. As long as we live, we will never again see the formation of new, wild, dinosaurs.

So, no. The only reason we would see an advanced true inter-stellar race is if they take an interest in us, earthlings, as a curiosity. How would that shake out?
Would they be interested in our culture? Maybe. Probably not. Not on an equal footing. Not to see how we manage our issues, or resolve conflict, or produce technologies. Not as though they might learn something interesting from us as a version of the “noble savage”.

They would probably not be very interested in teaching us how to use their technology. After all, what is the point in teaching an ant quantum physics? Does the scientist owe the family of an ant an apology, after having dissected it? These kinds of questions will come up with alarming frequency with a race as advanced as the one above, who sees us as “other”, the way we see all animals as “other” and subject to our whims.

Since our technology, and enfeebled minds will be little more than a curiosity to such an advanced race, I fear the biggest question they might want to answer about us is simply:

“What do they taste like?”

Lets hope they are not interested.


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Your reply reminds me of an old “Twilight Zone” TV episode. Aliens arrived on earth, and seemed to be amazingly altruistic. They did all they could to stop war and crime, and enhance human health. One of the aliens misplaced a book during a visit, and scientists, hoping to get more of an inside scoop on the species, tried to translate the alien script. The work was painfully slow, and at first only the title was understood: “To Serve Man”. But after some months, the researchers got a good idea of the meaning of the text. The show ended with a distraught scientist shouting to a general by telephone: To Serve Man- it’s a cookbook!


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That was a classic.


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